Cameron exposes IDS cock up over benefit cap at PMQs!

Cameron made the most almighty mess at PMQs yesterday and the exchange below reveals THE most significant one which bodes well for Corbyn’s aim of challenging the so-called ‘welfare reforms.’

The PM shot himself in the foot over the benefit cap!  

Are the days of IDS now numbered? This is how big a cock-up this is!

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Corbyn – complete with tie AND top button done up at PMQs

DC: “We were left with an unaffordable welfare system and a system where work didn’t pay…” That is the right answer, an economy where work pays, an economy where people can get on and let us not go back to the days of unlimited welfare, Labour’s position again today is to abolish the welfare cap. I say that a family that chooses not to work shouldn’t be better off than ones that choose to work.”

JC: “Many people don’t have that choice. Many people live in a very difficult situation and rely on the welfare state in order to survive. Surely, we all have a responsibility to make sure that people can live properly and decently in modern Britain. That is surely a decent thing to do.”

The issue with the reducing benefit cap as I have explained and explained and explained is that the ONLY way to get out of it applying is to find work.

Cameron believes that a family that CHOOSES not to work is the issue and meaning that the benefit cap only hits those who could work not those who cannot choose to work.  This is hugely significant and Corbyn picked it up straight away…”Many people don’t have that choice..” and he is 100% correct in this

The benefit cap hits those who have been assessed as able to work after two years support, i.e. those in the ESA WRAG, yet applies the benefit cap average reduction of £75.73 per week from day 1 which is April 2016.

By the time those in the work-related activity group (WRAG) are able to work they will have been evicted for rent arrears which on average will be £7,897.56 after two years of the benefit cap cut!

Is that a fair policy Prime Minister as you claim? No!

The same happens to the new mum.  While the Tories are legislating to say all mums have to work once the youngest child reaches 3 in Universal Credit and this does not come in until 2017 yet is clearly parliament;s intention,  the benefit cap hits that household with the new mum from day 1 of the new born babies life.

Is that a fair policy Prime Minister as you claim? No!

If the new mum does not go out to work from day 1 she is hit by the reduced benefit cap.  By the time the youngest reaches 3 years of age mum will be £11,846 in arrears and long evicted.

Is that a fair policy Prime Minister as you claim? No!

There are more examples, including that receipt of Severe Disablement Allowance does not exempt you from the benefit cap, yet these groups which would also include carers for example and we can call in short the unable to work and the not expected to work .

All of these households, these carers, those unable and not expected to work WILL be and ARE hit by the benefit cap from day 1.  These groups do not have ANY choice in the matter:

  • It is either abandon your day old baby and work or get evicted for rent arrears.
  • It is abandon the family member you care for and get a job or get evicted.
  • It is somehow find a job that you can do is you receive severe disablement allowance or get evicted.
  • It is find a babysitter or nursery for your day old baby and work – and yes Maternity Allowance means nothing here too!

Cameron at PMQs has made a huge blunder in either (a) not knowing how the benefit cap works, or (b) attempting to lie about it by inferring the benefit cap only hits those who CHOOSE NOT TO WORK

Cameron has said many times in the past and in the Commons that the disabled are exempt from the bedroom tax and other myths and ignorances and his lies and deceits I have exposed here and here and here and each one of those links link to other known lies Cameron has said about housing benefit, bedroom tax, and other alleged ‘reforms.’

Yet this for me is the biggest cock up of the lot as it exposes the policy with the highest public approval rating in the benefit cap.

At best for Cameron he does not realise that those who are unable to work, those not expected to work, carers and some very chronically disabled persons WILL be hit by the average £75.73 per week benefit cap cut. (Yes that is far more than the average tax credit cut!)

I have banged on and on about the benefit cap and how it DOES affect these groups and is the most pernicious of all the so-called welfare reforms of the Conservatives.  See here and here and here and here  as just some of the posts which proves all of the above from the past few months and there are many others going back to 2011 on this site.

The reduced benefit caps will see 78% of families affected being outside of London when now around half of those affected live in the capital.  In short this is not a high rent area issue with the reductions.

The reduced benefit cap will see over three quarters of a million children made homeless.  Currently we have about 90,000.

The reduced benefit cap could possibly save central government £100 million per year yet cost local government over £3 billion per year.  Not even the Tory shire councils will like that or will shire council tax payers who will see their bills rocket to pay for this biggest pig’s ear of the lot.

I could so go on about just how bad the benefit cap policy is and how it can never reduce the public purse cost only increase it.  YET the real issue is to date, the Conservative have sold this policy to the general public on the same tired lie that Cameron used today:

…a family that chooses not to work shouldn’t be better off than ones that choose to work.

The reality is as I am sure Corbyn will hammer home is that so many tens if not hundreds of thousands of those who are unable to work and not expected to work and who are carers and those who receive severe disablement allowance are hit by the benefit cap and have no choice whatsoever.

Now is the time to put the knife into this biggest myth of the lot!

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The benefits that exempt from the benefit cap

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Note that 72% of those on ESA are NOT in the support group and thus liable for the benefit cap

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The latest Housing Benefit figures (and HB is what is cut in the benefit cap) show that 1.132 million households get HB because they get ESA (passported in the jargon).  So 72% of these statistically or 815,000 or so households are potentially liable for the benefit cap!  [Also note there are 3 ESA claimants for every 1 JSA claimant or 3 times as many who cant choose to work over those that can choose!]

Those on ESA have been assessed in order to be on ESA and last month I reported on a case here of a woman who is in receipt of mid level DLA care, mid level DLA mobility yet according to the DWP’s work capability assessment she is fit for work…despite not being able to walk more than 100 yards, despite chronic incontinence even with incontinence pads, despite not being able to lift her hands above her shoulders and despite acute anxiety in any social interaction.

I did ask my readers if anyone could possibly suggest any form of job this woman could do and alas nobody could suggest one.  Yet this is precisely the type of person Cameron believes CHOOSES not to work…along with the new mum of a day old baby, all those carers who save the country a bloody fortune and of course those who receive SEVERE DISABLEMENT ALLOWANCE (Dave there’s a clue in the name of that benefit!) are not exempt from the benefit cap and of course CHOOSE NOT to work because they are all scrounging bar stewards!!

I have been shouting, screaming and ranting about someone to put some scrutiny into the Conservatives welfare reform (sic) policies and we know the Miliband Labour Party avoided this like the plague for fear of being labelled as pro-welfare, which is precisely what Cameron labelled them again at PMQs.

I have no idea how good or bad Corbyn will be as the Labour leader and frankly I do not care; rather as I have always maintained anyone who actually opposes and scrutinises the inept, very costly and unworkable back of a fag packet welfare reforms is doing what any democracy should and oppose the government of the day and especially when their policies are so inept such as the benefit cap.

The absence of opposition and scrutiny is frankly despotism and that non challenge approach in the past of the Miliband Labour Party is a national disgrace and an affront to democracy.

Now we have Cameron being surprised at the first PMQs and his ‘frit’ comments and usual bully boy tactics threw him off guard and he revealed that he either does not have a clue about how the benefit cap will impact or he is lying through his teeth.

All it needs now is for the Corbyn Labour Party to cash in on that and EXPOSE the many huge flaws in the benefit cap policy and the Conservatives ignorance of its impact.  Hopefully policy by soundbite is over given this level of scrutiny.

Cameron severely buggered up with his claims that those affected by the benefit cap choose not to work and here again is what Corbyn replied with off the top of his head.

JC: “Many people don’t have that choice. Many people live in a very difficult situation and rely on the welfare state in order to survive. Surely, we all have a responsibility to make sure that people can live properly and decently in modern Britain. That is surely a decent thing to do.”

Many rely on the welfare state in order to survive, which they do such as those unable to work as outlined above and those not expected to work.

Government does has a responsibility to make sure that people can live properly and decently….instead of being evicted due to a circumstance wholly beyond their control and along with their children… and the overwhelmingly majority of the British people believe that. and Yes that is the decent and right and 100% correct thing to do.

Oh boy scrutiny and opposition to the cock-a-mamie welfare reforms of the Conservative Party is about to become very interesting indeed!!

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UPDATE 17 September 2015

Just to let you know that the Corbyn Labour Party and the number 2 at Labour’s DWP team now have the above.

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Surely they must now use it and not go back to the Miliband benefit cap position as in the General Election manifesto below?

We shall see!  Here is that ill-considered manifesto position of Miliband Labour.

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And yes, I really am crap at this but this is a Ronseal meme!

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25 thoughts on “Cameron exposes IDS cock up over benefit cap at PMQs!

  1. Today I’ve been talking to my local council re bedroom tax and whether I should have to pay as the room is to be turned into a rom which houses equipment to assist my disability. They said they’ll get back to me if they hear of any UT cases rulings.
    I’m aware you’ve written on this before and am rereading that info to see if it’ll refer to my case. Watch this space!

      1. Thank you for the info. I told them I had a grant from Social Care to pay for the equipment but am scared to use it until I know if I’d be entitled to a DHA under these circumstancrs of the change of room use as it were.

    1. You will need to put in a formal BT appeal. If they won’t exempt you. Which will mean going to a Tribunal.
      You can ALSO apply for a DHP at the same time.
      There are Tribunal wins on room use.
      I would suggest you join some Facebook groups, who can help you through the process.
      There are appeal groups. Who also have all the details of appeal letters and the Tribunal wins.

      Of course, Joe has been instrumental in helping us, right from the beginning.

      1. Thank you very much for the info.
        I’ve always steered clear of FB as I fled DV/DA with a baby and keep my whereabouts hidden.
        You can join these groups with an alas am I correct in thinking?

  2. It has always been a huge issue for thousands. That when you are awarded a benefit.
    It states. ‘This is what the law says you need to live on’.
    And, then out of this amount. You have to pay the Bedroom Tax. (And, now, Council Tax, as well).

    This, therefore takes you, well below that limit.

    So, exactly how do they expect you to live?? Oh yes, we have food banks to go to!!
    Our children can go hungry. And they DO. They need school uniform and basic essentials for school. Etc.
    Perhaps, we should bind their feet so they don’t need new shoes!!

    There are many ‘knock on effects’. Too many to mention.

    It should be compulsory for these bloody politicians to live in our shoes for 6 months. Not a couple of days for some documentary!!

  3. I tend to think that Cameron doesn’t have a clue about the true cost of living for us mere plebs… especially anyone dealing or coping with any form of disability.

    I know plenty of people who [used to!] think that people on social security actually get £23,000plus for themselves, with housing benefit on top of that. Most are genuinely horrified to learn that most of the total entitlement usually goes to the £and£ord and the household [as in our case] gets quite a few £K less than £20K.

    With the number of ‘errors’ in Cameron’s knowledge, I think it is his advisors and researchers who feed him the sort of information that they, in turn, are fed by the likes of IDS’s lackeys. I doubt they are saying “Hey Dave, we’re going to cause huge problems for the plebs.” I expect they just tell him how much the government will ‘save’.

    It really must be something like that, or, as you’ve often pointed out [and as I have], the only logical alternative is that Cameron is wilfully lying to everyone.

    I really hope Corbyn manages to get that point across over the next few months, before the shit hits the fan and the scenarios you describe begin to become reality. I shudder to think what will happen then…

  4. Hi Mili68 I fully understand and can empathise. I was in the same position myself, 30 years ago. I hope you are getting the support you need. Yes, you could use an alias. And, put nothing on your page.
    I am an Admin on an Appeal group. You can also send private messages to admins for help.

    However, you could also get help from Shelter. Or/And the Citizens Advice Bureau. Which may be best in your situation.

    Much luck and best wish’s to you.

  5. Fantastic article and so true. But also why do we have to put up with the other lie embedded in DCs comments ie “a family that chooses not to work…” because even if you are working you can still be benefit capped (if fewer than 15h/week old system OR if take home pay is less than £430/month onUC)

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